To infinity and beyond
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Real quick, down and dirty, infinity is an abstract concept. It cannot be proven. You cannot go to where something doesn't end and demonstrate that it never ends. The concept of something going forward for an infinite count or space requires the additional dimension of infinite time so it becomes self defeating in that if one is a fanciful construct then so is the other. Eternity is a fanciful, abstract concept. We can pretend we can conceive of something being eternal, even demonstrate it mathematically, but our existence in a temporal universe precludes ever showing one another that anything is, in fact, eternal. Lastly, we can only abstractly describe nothing. The absence of anything would preclude anyone or any thing observing it so whomever is describing the nothing is part of it or a something that defies the nothing, which is nonsense.
So let's place our universe inside of eternity. <--------(Big Bang- Big Fizzle)-------->. We don't know what happened before the Big Bang but for all intents and purposes that was the beginning of our temporal universe, the start of the countdown clock, the moment that entropy can be demonstrated to take place and changes occur in the space/time continuum. The Big Fizzle, since you probably haven't heard that term as, so far as I know, I made it up, references the point at which the expanding universe spreads out so far that the matter and energy has dissipated to a negligible point and the universe as we know it is cold and dead, sometimes called heat death. Now we have the concept of not knowing what was before the Big Bang, but assuming there was something that lit the fuse, although quantum physics theory may point to the idea of spontaneous emergence, and not knowing what comes after the Big Fizzle, although the safe bet there seems to be nothing, just no energy. The beginning and end of our universe are not an infinite or eternal thing. Was there an eternity before and will there be after? We simply don't know and have no basis for suggesting such a thing.We have nothing for comparison and no possibility of gathering evidence.
Now let us run with the idea or abstract concept of eternity, outside of our temporal universe, before the beginning and/or after the end. Eternity has no beginning. Let's start there. Before the Big Bang there was stuff existing and/or happening in a meta time. Says who? Says the Bible. "In the beginning there was God". The beginning of what? The universe? Must be it. So prior to the beginning there was God. According to the mythology He has no beginning so in the above illustration He is represented by that arrow going backward, prior to the first parenthese indicating the Big Bang. So that is eternity stretching backward from an event. Now let us consider an event in eternity. The very concept of eternity is a vast, unchanging thing. Events occuring at intervals throughout eternity would, necessarily, represent an infinite number of changes because there would be no reason to suppose that changes to the eternal metatime/metaspace continuum would start at some point and end at another somewhere along that line and the rest would be an infinite stretch of nothing happening. Take the emergence or creation, if you like, of our temporal universe. Why just once in all eternity? Let's say for the sake of argument it is a one time fluke. Let us say that eternity is 0 and this event is 1. Let's do the math on this one event divided by eternity. It is zero. It is a non-event.
Now that we've broached the subject of events in metatime, before or after the emergence and extinction of our temporal universe, let's talk about eternal beings. God has no beginning or end. We can grasp this as an abstract concept even though our human minds reel at the idea of a thing having no beginning. Bear with me anyway because if we are talking about no end then no beginning is just as bizarre. The Bible tells us a bit about angels. God created them too. They are not mentioned in the creation myth in Genesis. The Bible clearly indicates that they were already there when God created the heavens and the Earth and hung lights in the sky, populated the oceans and created humans. Either that or God created angels at the same time as humans and some time prior to the fall of man Satan and his followers had their falling out with God. Either way the angels and the humans were created to be eternal beings. They were to have a beginning but no end. Their creation represents an event in metatime, a change in eternity. But here's the catch. Eternity wouldn't change. There is nothing to mark one moment to the next in eternity. Change is counter to the concept of eternity. Let's say the angels were created at some metatime prior to the creation of the temporal universe. How long before? Measured in Earth years was it billions, trillions or just 2 years and one of them was a leap year? What marked the passage of time for angels? What represented entropy for them besides changing their minds about obeying God? How did some go about their rebellion and how long did it last before God created Hell and sent them there?
Now let's talk about us being eternal. The Bible tells us that we will face eternal reward or punishment forever without end but also that we are unique creations, designed and made alive by God. So we are this *----------> We have a beginning but no end. When we die we slip out of this temporal universe and into metatime for all eternity. Again, this would represent the end of change, entropy or any further events as events mark change and eternity has none because time doesn't exist there. In the grand scheme of eternity our coming into existence and living, for a moment or 90 years, would mean nothing. It is an event divided by infinite non-events so zero. It is a zero event. Again, if infinity is populated with events then we are talking about an infinite number of events and the one specific to us still remains lost, unremarkable, insignificant to an infinite degree. We are still dividing 1 by infinity. Conceptually, eternity with a beginning point is the same as eternity without one. The beginning point represents a change in eternity and that is nonsense. That is like saying that a void exists over there. It is an area of nothing. If it has parameters it is something because it can be traversed or measured. The concept of nothing requires that it be all inclusive (or exclusive if you want to be pedantic), having nothing by which it can be described or quantified...or any mind to do the describing, to be really pedantic. Again, if there is a mind perceiving it or fucking brooding over it, whatever that means, then it is, technically by definition and logical conclusion, something.
So let me sum up with imagining Judgment Day. Player 1 has passed the test and gets to go to Heaven for all eternity. Player 2 gets shut out and faces eternal torment. Judgment day represents an event at the beginning of a line that extends for eternity in one direction. There is no change of course that can occur. The reward or torment will not change, ever, so they no longer represent anything worth bothering about. The eternal being experiencing them will experience them as one event with no significance in either an eternity of infinite, redundant events, getting jabbed with a pitchfork or hugged by Jesus at regular intervals, or an eternity of no further events, a droning existence of sameness. Either way, judgement is 1 divided by infinity. A momentary, temporal or singular event with eternal consequences is nonsense. The idea that anything in this universe is eternal cannot be supported. The idea that we will somehow transfer out of this universe at death and continue forever is nonsense.
Real quick, down and dirty, infinity is an abstract concept. It cannot be proven. You cannot go to where something doesn't end and demonstrate that it never ends. The concept of something going forward for an infinite count or space requires the additional dimension of infinite time so it becomes self defeating in that if one is a fanciful construct then so is the other. Eternity is a fanciful, abstract concept. We can pretend we can conceive of something being eternal, even demonstrate it mathematically, but our existence in a temporal universe precludes ever showing one another that anything is, in fact, eternal. Lastly, we can only abstractly describe nothing. The absence of anything would preclude anyone or any thing observing it so whomever is describing the nothing is part of it or a something that defies the nothing, which is nonsense.
So let's place our universe inside of eternity. <--------(Big Bang- Big Fizzle)-------->. We don't know what happened before the Big Bang but for all intents and purposes that was the beginning of our temporal universe, the start of the countdown clock, the moment that entropy can be demonstrated to take place and changes occur in the space/time continuum. The Big Fizzle, since you probably haven't heard that term as, so far as I know, I made it up, references the point at which the expanding universe spreads out so far that the matter and energy has dissipated to a negligible point and the universe as we know it is cold and dead, sometimes called heat death. Now we have the concept of not knowing what was before the Big Bang, but assuming there was something that lit the fuse, although quantum physics theory may point to the idea of spontaneous emergence, and not knowing what comes after the Big Fizzle, although the safe bet there seems to be nothing, just no energy. The beginning and end of our universe are not an infinite or eternal thing. Was there an eternity before and will there be after? We simply don't know and have no basis for suggesting such a thing.We have nothing for comparison and no possibility of gathering evidence.
Now let us run with the idea or abstract concept of eternity, outside of our temporal universe, before the beginning and/or after the end. Eternity has no beginning. Let's start there. Before the Big Bang there was stuff existing and/or happening in a meta time. Says who? Says the Bible. "In the beginning there was God". The beginning of what? The universe? Must be it. So prior to the beginning there was God. According to the mythology He has no beginning so in the above illustration He is represented by that arrow going backward, prior to the first parenthese indicating the Big Bang. So that is eternity stretching backward from an event. Now let us consider an event in eternity. The very concept of eternity is a vast, unchanging thing. Events occuring at intervals throughout eternity would, necessarily, represent an infinite number of changes because there would be no reason to suppose that changes to the eternal metatime/metaspace continuum would start at some point and end at another somewhere along that line and the rest would be an infinite stretch of nothing happening. Take the emergence or creation, if you like, of our temporal universe. Why just once in all eternity? Let's say for the sake of argument it is a one time fluke. Let us say that eternity is 0 and this event is 1. Let's do the math on this one event divided by eternity. It is zero. It is a non-event.
Now that we've broached the subject of events in metatime, before or after the emergence and extinction of our temporal universe, let's talk about eternal beings. God has no beginning or end. We can grasp this as an abstract concept even though our human minds reel at the idea of a thing having no beginning. Bear with me anyway because if we are talking about no end then no beginning is just as bizarre. The Bible tells us a bit about angels. God created them too. They are not mentioned in the creation myth in Genesis. The Bible clearly indicates that they were already there when God created the heavens and the Earth and hung lights in the sky, populated the oceans and created humans. Either that or God created angels at the same time as humans and some time prior to the fall of man Satan and his followers had their falling out with God. Either way the angels and the humans were created to be eternal beings. They were to have a beginning but no end. Their creation represents an event in metatime, a change in eternity. But here's the catch. Eternity wouldn't change. There is nothing to mark one moment to the next in eternity. Change is counter to the concept of eternity. Let's say the angels were created at some metatime prior to the creation of the temporal universe. How long before? Measured in Earth years was it billions, trillions or just 2 years and one of them was a leap year? What marked the passage of time for angels? What represented entropy for them besides changing their minds about obeying God? How did some go about their rebellion and how long did it last before God created Hell and sent them there?
Now let's talk about us being eternal. The Bible tells us that we will face eternal reward or punishment forever without end but also that we are unique creations, designed and made alive by God. So we are this *----------> We have a beginning but no end. When we die we slip out of this temporal universe and into metatime for all eternity. Again, this would represent the end of change, entropy or any further events as events mark change and eternity has none because time doesn't exist there. In the grand scheme of eternity our coming into existence and living, for a moment or 90 years, would mean nothing. It is an event divided by infinite non-events so zero. It is a zero event. Again, if infinity is populated with events then we are talking about an infinite number of events and the one specific to us still remains lost, unremarkable, insignificant to an infinite degree. We are still dividing 1 by infinity. Conceptually, eternity with a beginning point is the same as eternity without one. The beginning point represents a change in eternity and that is nonsense. That is like saying that a void exists over there. It is an area of nothing. If it has parameters it is something because it can be traversed or measured. The concept of nothing requires that it be all inclusive (or exclusive if you want to be pedantic), having nothing by which it can be described or quantified...or any mind to do the describing, to be really pedantic. Again, if there is a mind perceiving it or fucking brooding over it, whatever that means, then it is, technically by definition and logical conclusion, something.
So let me sum up with imagining Judgment Day. Player 1 has passed the test and gets to go to Heaven for all eternity. Player 2 gets shut out and faces eternal torment. Judgment day represents an event at the beginning of a line that extends for eternity in one direction. There is no change of course that can occur. The reward or torment will not change, ever, so they no longer represent anything worth bothering about. The eternal being experiencing them will experience them as one event with no significance in either an eternity of infinite, redundant events, getting jabbed with a pitchfork or hugged by Jesus at regular intervals, or an eternity of no further events, a droning existence of sameness. Either way, judgement is 1 divided by infinity. A momentary, temporal or singular event with eternal consequences is nonsense. The idea that anything in this universe is eternal cannot be supported. The idea that we will somehow transfer out of this universe at death and continue forever is nonsense.
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